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	<title>Comments on: Reviews, reviewing and The Pun</title>
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		<title>By: somone, somewhere</title>
		<link>http://www.anewleaf.com.au/2009/04/16/reviews-reviewing-and-the-pun/comment-page-1/#comment-77459</link>
		<dc:creator>somone, somewhere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the simple answer is to not rely on reviews all the time. Good word of mouth can help heaps and take a review as a plus. I had  show that recieved an award this year and couldn&#039;t get a review and another show that just got picked up to go overseas and no reviewer came to that either. I guess as a performer the question ultimately falls on what you think you might get out of a review and whether you can still forge ahead without one. They are helpful, granted - but you can still generate buzz without them and sometimes they can do more harm then good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the simple answer is to not rely on reviews all the time. Good word of mouth can help heaps and take a review as a plus. I had  show that recieved an award this year and couldn&#8217;t get a review and another show that just got picked up to go overseas and no reviewer came to that either. I guess as a performer the question ultimately falls on what you think you might get out of a review and whether you can still forge ahead without one. They are helpful, granted &#8211; but you can still generate buzz without them and sometimes they can do more harm then good.</p>
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		<title>By: ComedyNerdCentral</title>
		<link>http://www.anewleaf.com.au/2009/04/16/reviews-reviewing-and-the-pun/comment-page-1/#comment-77429</link>
		<dc:creator>ComedyNerdCentral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bang on. Reviews are there for audiences not for shows and I don&#039;t see why they feel the need to complain about their reviews all the time. If you don&#039;t want your show reviewed then don&#039;t let the press see it. If you invite them don&#039;t complain if you get a bad review. Simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bang on. Reviews are there for audiences not for shows and I don&#8217;t see why they feel the need to complain about their reviews all the time. If you don&#8217;t want your show reviewed then don&#8217;t let the press see it. If you invite them don&#8217;t complain if you get a bad review. Simple.</p>
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		<title>By: yellabella</title>
		<link>http://www.anewleaf.com.au/2009/04/16/reviews-reviewing-and-the-pun/comment-page-1/#comment-77386</link>
		<dc:creator>yellabella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 08:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never reviewed comedy but I do review theatre frequently. I&#039;ve never had a single complaint about my reviews, and my email is published under the review so people can respond if they would like. Is this just because I&#039;m so good at my job? LOL? I don&#039;t think so. Based on the comedy I&#039;ve seen (and I&#039;m no expert) most comedians are not playing a role as much as playing a version of themselves. If you&#039;re playing yourself, you really are going to be upset if someone doesn&#039;t like you. Is there a way around that? Probably not. It&#039;s not so much about hardening up as it is accepting a tradition of performance. Reviews aren&#039;t going away unless audiences stop reading them, and it doesn&#039;t look like that will happen any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never reviewed comedy but I do review theatre frequently. I&#8217;ve never had a single complaint about my reviews, and my email is published under the review so people can respond if they would like. Is this just because I&#8217;m so good at my job? LOL? I don&#8217;t think so. Based on the comedy I&#8217;ve seen (and I&#8217;m no expert) most comedians are not playing a role as much as playing a version of themselves. If you&#8217;re playing yourself, you really are going to be upset if someone doesn&#8217;t like you. Is there a way around that? Probably not. It&#8217;s not so much about hardening up as it is accepting a tradition of performance. Reviews aren&#8217;t going away unless audiences stop reading them, and it doesn&#8217;t look like that will happen any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Karin Muiznieks</title>
		<link>http://www.anewleaf.com.au/2009/04/16/reviews-reviewing-and-the-pun/comment-page-1/#comment-77357</link>
		<dc:creator>Karin Muiznieks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A review is advice. Advice to the audience on what to expect and, to a lesser extent, advice to a performer about what the audience is seeing. 

As personal as it may be, a comedian has to be aware of the image they&#039;re projecting; which can be hard to do by yourself when you&#039;re so close to your own work. Criticism of any kind is a very powerful tool and being made aware of your own flaws can only be an advantage to a comedian. Whether you choose to alter those flaws or embrace them can only strengthen your performance.

Speaking as a comedian, I have only had a few &quot;bad&quot; reviews but each contained valid points which informed my choices in subsequent shows. I personally think comedians should harden up. This is entertainment, it&#039;s about creating the best experience for the audience, not about getting acclaim for yourself.

I&#039;ve read almost all the reviews on The Pun, The Groggy Squirrel and The Age and I found that in every case my experience of the show has pretty much equalled what was written in the review. If you look over them objectively you&#039;ll probably reach the same conclusion.

Is it possible that every review on The Pun is accurate except for yours? Not likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A review is advice. Advice to the audience on what to expect and, to a lesser extent, advice to a performer about what the audience is seeing. </p>
<p>As personal as it may be, a comedian has to be aware of the image they&#8217;re projecting; which can be hard to do by yourself when you&#8217;re so close to your own work. Criticism of any kind is a very powerful tool and being made aware of your own flaws can only be an advantage to a comedian. Whether you choose to alter those flaws or embrace them can only strengthen your performance.</p>
<p>Speaking as a comedian, I have only had a few &#8220;bad&#8221; reviews but each contained valid points which informed my choices in subsequent shows. I personally think comedians should harden up. This is entertainment, it&#8217;s about creating the best experience for the audience, not about getting acclaim for yourself.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read almost all the reviews on The Pun, The Groggy Squirrel and The Age and I found that in every case my experience of the show has pretty much equalled what was written in the review. If you look over them objectively you&#8217;ll probably reach the same conclusion.</p>
<p>Is it possible that every review on The Pun is accurate except for yours? Not likely.</p>
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		<title>By: happycat</title>
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		<dc:creator>happycat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno ben, I think it&#039;s a cop out to say that comedy is the most subjective of art forms I think that comics just like to see that perspective because there is no real tradition of reviewing in the comedy field. Meaning we haven&#039;t figured out a standard or a way to compare them. And also I think a review is one person&#039;s opinion but you&#039;re undermining the work of all the reviewers to say that&#039;s all it is (one person&#039;s well publicised opinion). As a reviewer I take the on board a range of things and write a review based on those standards not just whether I &quot;like&quot; the show or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno ben, I think it&#8217;s a cop out to say that comedy is the most subjective of art forms I think that comics just like to see that perspective because there is no real tradition of reviewing in the comedy field. Meaning we haven&#8217;t figured out a standard or a way to compare them. And also I think a review is one person&#8217;s opinion but you&#8217;re undermining the work of all the reviewers to say that&#8217;s all it is (one person&#8217;s well publicised opinion). As a reviewer I take the on board a range of things and write a review based on those standards not just whether I &#8220;like&#8221; the show or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben McKenzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben McKenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an actor from long before I turned to comedy, I can assure you that plenty of those in the theatre get just as wounded by bad reviews. There&#039;s no tradition of responding in theatre, though, because actors don&#039;t have the outlet for it. Comedians can say whatever they like on stage; actors have a script and a character, and in any case don&#039;t bear sole responsibility for a play. (Interestingly, while I see a trend towards more comedians working with directors - something I&#039;m all in favour of - I see no trend in reviewers critical of a show&#039;s direction, separate from its performance. Perhaps comedy reviews aren&#039;t sure of the distinction?)

I reckon there are four types of review: good, bad, negative and positive. Just like a comedy show, a review of one can be well-written and insightful, or self-indulgent and useless - regardless of whether the show is loved or hated. I&#039;ve had some very negative reviews in my time, but thankfully they were still &quot;good&quot; in the sense that even when I didn&#039;t agree, I could still gather useful criticism to inform my performance or writing for the next show.

Finally, while reviews are useful - I use them myself to get an impression of things I haven&#039;t seen - it always pays to remember that comedy is perhaps the most subjective of art forms, and while a critic may offer great insight, it&#039;s still a single (if well-publicised) opinion. While there are technical aspects which a good student of comedy can comment on without much controversy, there&#039;s no objective scale for good or bad. After all, we love watching David and Margaret the best when they disagree about a film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an actor from long before I turned to comedy, I can assure you that plenty of those in the theatre get just as wounded by bad reviews. There&#8217;s no tradition of responding in theatre, though, because actors don&#8217;t have the outlet for it. Comedians can say whatever they like on stage; actors have a script and a character, and in any case don&#8217;t bear sole responsibility for a play. (Interestingly, while I see a trend towards more comedians working with directors &#8211; something I&#8217;m all in favour of &#8211; I see no trend in reviewers critical of a show&#8217;s direction, separate from its performance. Perhaps comedy reviews aren&#8217;t sure of the distinction?)</p>
<p>I reckon there are four types of review: good, bad, negative and positive. Just like a comedy show, a review of one can be well-written and insightful, or self-indulgent and useless &#8211; regardless of whether the show is loved or hated. I&#8217;ve had some very negative reviews in my time, but thankfully they were still &#8220;good&#8221; in the sense that even when I didn&#8217;t agree, I could still gather useful criticism to inform my performance or writing for the next show.</p>
<p>Finally, while reviews are useful &#8211; I use them myself to get an impression of things I haven&#8217;t seen &#8211; it always pays to remember that comedy is perhaps the most subjective of art forms, and while a critic may offer great insight, it&#8217;s still a single (if well-publicised) opinion. While there are technical aspects which a good student of comedy can comment on without much controversy, there&#8217;s no objective scale for good or bad. After all, we love watching David and Margaret the best when they disagree about a film.</p>
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		<title>By: grollo_gro</title>
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		<dc:creator>grollo_gro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good piece. I never thought much about the difference between what a review in the big papers verses a good review in little ones like this but its true that readers want different things. I don&#039;t even pay attention to who wrote the reviews on here but I do look when I read Age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good piece. I never thought much about the difference between what a review in the big papers verses a good review in little ones like this but its true that readers want different things. I don&#8217;t even pay attention to who wrote the reviews on here but I do look when I read Age.</p>
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		<title>By: I Can Take It</title>
		<link>http://www.anewleaf.com.au/2009/04/16/reviews-reviewing-and-the-pun/comment-page-1/#comment-76302</link>
		<dc:creator>I Can Take It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in this year&#039;s comedy festival and I don&#039;t think we&#039;ve been reviewed yet by you or anyone else but I still want to put my two cents worth in. Mostly you&#039;re right but I think that you gloss over how difficult it is to put so much work and so much money into putting a show on and then how it would feel to have it torn down so easily in a hundred words. There is so much money at stake and it&#039;s so hard to get a show up in the first place so of course a comic is going to take it hard if someone tells them its all for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in this year&#8217;s comedy festival and I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;ve been reviewed yet by you or anyone else but I still want to put my two cents worth in. Mostly you&#8217;re right but I think that you gloss over how difficult it is to put so much work and so much money into putting a show on and then how it would feel to have it torn down so easily in a hundred words. There is so much money at stake and it&#8217;s so hard to get a show up in the first place so of course a comic is going to take it hard if someone tells them its all for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: ComedyNerdCentral</title>
		<link>http://www.anewleaf.com.au/2009/04/16/reviews-reviewing-and-the-pun/comment-page-1/#comment-76300</link>
		<dc:creator>ComedyNerdCentral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you know there is an article about this over on The Age sight today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know there is an article about this over on The Age sight today?</p>
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